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Respecto a Vegan Cats...
Antes de nada decir, que a pesar de que la respuesta es totalmente favorable a la postura que defiendo, para nada considero que Vegan Cats sea una fuente fiable de nada...pero bueno, ya que para algunos es el oráculo del conocimiento, pues supongo que agradecerán saber lo que dice Elfos....
Antes de nada pongo lo que les pregunté, que no quiero modificar la realidad en ningún momento:
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To whom it may concern,
My name is [omitido], Biologist and PhD. in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. I am
in charge of Media and International Relationships in the Spanish Vegetarian Union (UVE).
I feed my cats and dog using vegan/vegetarian feed, since I consider that this is
currently possible and even healthy for my pets.
We are receiving several doubts and messages from members of the UVE asking about this
issue. Many of them reports from your website as a resource.
I detected several inconsistencies in your FAQs and statements regarding the vegetarian
feed. For example it seems you encourage giving some of meat:
"Is it true that vegancats.com is telling some people to feed their cats meat?
Yes. After much soul-searching, we have decided to change our official recommendations
for certain cats.
Urinary tract problems are fairly common in cats, and because of the relative acidity of
meat to vegetable protein, some vegan cats suffer from them.
Although we have been giving advice for some time on how these problems can be minimized
while still feeding a completely vegan diet, we have found that many of our customers
have not been following this advice. It is imperative to feed your cat a vegan diet
properly for optimal health, as not doing so may jeopardize your cat's well-being (as is
the case with improper feeding on any other diet - ideal nutrition is a necessity for
optimal health!)
Unless you are very committed to following the advice outlined on our site by feeding
your cat a properly balanced diet as per the information below, we recommend that you
mitigate the risk of urinary tract problems by feeding males cats only a 25-75% vegan
diet and females a 50-100% vegan diet. Of course, many cats (both make and female) will
thrive on a simple vegan diet and never have any complications from urinary tract
infections or crystal formations; you need to be prepared to adjust the diet accordingly
for cats who may be prone to such issues."
or
"Because of the greater risk to males, you may want to give your cat some canned
meat-based foods (a veternarian-prescribed pH balancing formula is ideal) be given along
with vegan food, particularly if they have had any past history of urinary tract issues
or crystal formation."
And here it seems you leverage the vegetarian feed without any doubt:
"Can Cats and Dogs be Vegan?
Without a doubt, cats and dogs can be vegan. Over our many years in business, we have
heard countless success stories from people whose companion animals have transitioned to
a vegan diet and have been happy and healthy the entire time. There is a lot of
misinformation out there regarding the various theories and opinions as to why some
people insist that it can't be done, but time and time again, people have proven it's not
only possible, but many times a better diet than what they'd previously been feeding
their companion animals."
I would like to receive from you a clear position regarding this issue:
¿Do you think that cat can be veganized? ¿Is this healthy for them?
I look forward to receiving a clear feedback from you,
Best regards,
Osea, que hay gente que de su web entiende que recomiendan no dar pienso vegano 100% a los gatos porque es malo, y que otros creen que dicen que normalmente no pasa nada, qué cuál es su postura oficial.
Me responden esto:
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Regarding the message for giving SOME cats some meat in their diet, this statement was originally posted by the former owner of VeganCats.com, Jed Gillen, and we have continued to keep this statement since his decision to sell VeganCats.com to us. Jed, after years of experience working with people who have vegan cats, found that there were some cats (definitely a small fraction, but still enough to warrant a change of opinion) who just did not adapt to a 100% vegan diet very well and had recurring health issues, particularly urinary tract infections and crystal formation. Jed's opinion is that, if a cat has recurring issues on an all-vegan diet, then perhaps it is better to feed that cat a partially meat-based diet if it will prevent the recurrence of future health issues. As we feel it is not really "compassionate" to force a cat to have recurring health issues if they do not adapt to an all-vegan diet well, we would rather see someone feed that particular cat a partially vegan diet if nothing else. It is not consistent with the theories on veganism to cause harm to one creature to make it adapt to our lifestyle, so we would rather see someone go with a partially vegan diet vs. willfully making a cat sick over and over on a vegan diet if they cannot adapt well enough. That is the one reason for this statement, and again, it is intended to apply only to those whose cats either have pre-existing urinary tract or crystal formation issues, or, for those whose cats develop recurring problems after going on a vegan diet. That is why you'll find notes stating below that most cats will adapt to a 100% vegan diet very well, but that if one is not prepared to be vigilant about monitoring a cat on a vegan diet and is not willing to give the ideal foods, we feel that it is better to give only a partially vegan diet than to put a cat's health in jeopardy. As male cats in particular have a much greater incidence of urinary tract issues and crystals leading to life-threatening complications, we do wish to make this known that vegan diets, particularly those of only dry kibble, can be exacerbating to these issues for cats who have past history of these problems. Again, this leads back to the comments regarding meat-based foods may be best to include partially for cats with such occurrences in order to prevent them from coming back over and over again.
Cats, like people, are individuals and need to be treated as such. It is impossible to say that every cat will fare well on a completely vegan diet, just as some people have found that they have not felt as "healthy" when going vegan (usually due to a lack of proper dietary balance). Since there are limited varieties of vegan cat food, there is always possibility that a cat may have dietary allergies to common ingredients in vegan foods (making them less than ideal for the complete nutrition for such a cat), or, that cats with propensity for UTI problems might find that the few options that exist may not be enough to mitigate recurrence of problems. We choose to be realistic in admitting that, while most cats will find a vegan diet to be healthy, there will always be some exceptions, and we want people to know that this is a possibility as it would be dishonest for us to say that EVERY cat will thrive on an all-vegan diet without any potential for health issues. Our mission is to offer nutritionally complete foods that the majority of cats will do very well on, all while reducing dependency on animal-based foods to the greatest extent possible. For some cats, it may be that an optimal diet will be 50/50 between meat and vegan for them to stay healthy (again, for the exceptions to the norm that do adapt well), as we'd still rather see a cat be on a partially vegan diet if possible rather than go back to an all-meat diet if it is not necessary. Every little bit to reduce dependency on animal by-products makes a difference in the end, so we do not feel that it is betraying the notion that cats can be vegan by saying some may need meat, as even a partially vegan diet for cats will still make a difference.
Without a doubt, a 100% vegan diet is healthy for MOST cats to be on. We've seen this over many years in business, as we have many shoppers whose cats have been raised vegan since the beginning and have thrived and been very happy/healthy on the diets. But again, we feel it is our responsibility to state that not every cat will take to it well, and that people need to be aware of this and how including some meat-based foods can reduce recurring urinary/crystal issues for cats prone to those problems.
I hope that this helps to clarify a bit better, and please do not hesitate to let us know if we can assist with anything else!
Osea que, han dejado el texto de la Web tal cual lo escribió hace varios años el anterior propietario de la empresa, que tanto el anterior propietario de la empresa como ellos considera que los gatos, la inmensa mayoría pueden ser alimentados con una dieta 100% vegana. Que una pequeña fracción de gatos, que o bien ya tenían problemas urinarios, o que pudieran desarrollarlos por la dieta vegana, deben mezclar la dieta vegana con pienso cárnico (UNA PEQUEÑA FRACCIÓN).
ADEMÁS QUIERO RECALCAR, QUE COMO SÓLO EXISTE EL TEÓRICO PROBLEMA URINARIO Y EN UNA PEQUEÑA FRACCIÓN, EN CASO DE QUE SE DÉ ESTO SE RESUELVE CON UN SUPLEMENTO.
Concluyen que ocurre como en las personas, que debe mirarse caso por caso, que la dieta vegana resulta saludable para casi todo el mundo, pero que a algunas personas les resulta mal, pues que lo mismo con los gatos, que resulta bien A LA INMENSA MAYORÍA, y que a una PEQUEÑA FRACCIÓN con probelmas previos no.
Usease, que hoy, concluimos que nadie duda que los piensos veganos ofrezcan taurina de confianza, y que si no hay problemas PREVIOS DE TRACTO URINARIO, NADIE niega que una dieta vegana sea 100% viable en gatos.
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